i want to clarify this -- this is not the responsibility of the fbi. the fbi turns over those denials, which are about 75,000 a year, you turn those over to the atf? >> that is correct. >> in an instance where it is denied, the dealer has it in his hands when the call to do the check. if it is denied, where does the paperwork and up? which should be the evidence of the crime of applying for permission to possess a gun or buy a gun. there are record retention regulations, laws with regard to how long we can retain records. i would have to get back to you. >> specifically, does that hard copy that the dealer is holding, does that get transmitted to the fbi or atf? >> i know it does not go to was. we make a referral to atf whether or not is a denial. i'm not certain how we do it. probably donet is automatically. i will have to get back to you on that, the procedures, what happens to the hard copy sitting in the hands of the seller. again, at a different hearing, we heard from the justice department -- obviously, decisions are made -- in 2010, out of the 7